the chickens come home to roost

the chickens come home to roost

Christopher Dorner LAPD

Christopher Dorner LAPD (Photo credit:

This article also appeared on Counterpunch, and was profiled on the front page of Reddit.

My first experience of the LAPD was as a child back in Wales, staring at the TV screen in horror and fascination, watching a grainy image of police officers beat a black man to a pulp. I’d never seen anything like it. None of us had. Six thousand miles away, in a tiny village in Wales with only five hundred inhabitants, we talked about Rodney King and racism in Los Angeles. T-shirts sprang up on local market stalls bearing the slogan LAPD – treat you like a King! Los Angeles seemed like a place of horrors, a place so utterly backward and corrupt that none of us would ever want to even visit, let alone live there. I never thought of Los Angeles as the home of the movie industry. I thought of Los Angeles as the home of racism, police brutality, and Skid Row.

And then I moved to Los Angeles in my twenties, and I became exposed to a different kind of policing. I became exposed to the LAPD. While reporting on Occupy LA‘s raid night, I watched cops beat peaceful activists with batons in a quiet side street. I wrote about it, and Mayor Villaraigosa called me a liar on CNN. While protesting outside a downtown jail, a friend of mine was physically assaulted by a Police Officer. Despite video evidence to the contrary, he was accused of felony resisting and encouraged to take a plea deal. He is now on probation for being assaulted by a Police Officer. I regularly saw homeless people on Skid Row harassed by police, arrested for sitting on the sidewalk, their belongings confiscated and never returned. As a white, British woman, I did not ever experience the same levels of abuse, oppression and harassment that I saw exacted upon people of color, the homeless, the mentally ill and other vulnerable, marginalized groups. But working as a community organizer and activist in Downtown LA and Skid Row made me realize that the Rodney King incident and the days of Rampart weren’t a part of history. They were part of the present. It is how the Los Angeles Police Department still operates today.

The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions…

- Christopher Dorner

The problem is that most of the people who LAPD target aren’t, like me or you, white, privileged and well educated. They aren’t, like me or you, able to articulate their outrage and speak out against violations of their civil rights. They maybe can’t afford good lawyers and no one cares if they are beaten or shot. I’m talking about Steven Eugene Washington an unarmed black, autistic 27-year-old shot in drive-by fashion  by the LAPD [Chief Charlie Beck decided they were justified in their shooting, the civilian commission overruled him unanimously] . I’m talking about Kennedy Garcia, critically wounded by the LAPD while handcuffed — lying on his stomach. No one has any idea why the fact that he was cuffed and on his stomach wasn’t included in the press release on the incident. I’m talking about Alesia Thomas, a drug addicted young mother who tried to abandon her children at a police station, knowing she couldn’t care for them – and was taken into custody for doing so, repeatedly assaulted by Police Officers during her arrest, and then died from the injuries she sustained. The video evidence has yet to be released by LAPD despite repeated requests. Nor have the names of the officers responsible for her murder been made known to the public. Abdul Arian ran from the LAPD. Somehow, in the double-speak for the department, running away is aggression, contrary to what every normal person knows to be true — that running away is almost the least aggressive thing one can do. Abdul was 19, the LAPD emptied out 90 shots to bring down an unarmed teenager on foot who was running for his life.

These are not isolated incidents. Every 36 hours a black person is killed by the police, security guards or white vigilantes (but mostly by the police). They also say that the largest killer of cops is a self-inflicted gunshot wound, presumably from those unable to handle the knowledge that ‘protecting’ and ‘serving’ has a different definition within the PD. None of the police officers involved in the abuses above have lost their jobs. Only last week it emerged that a Police Officer – James Nichols – being investigated for rape charges, faces a separate lawsuit for nearly beating a man to death. Nichols has not lost his job.



All this and more is why Christopher Jordan Dorner, the cop who published a thorough manifesto of his own experiences of racism, corruption and abuse within LAPD, and then appears to have gone on a killing spree specifically targeting cops and their families, has garnered support from a large amount of people. I doubt that any of Christopher Dorner’s supporters rejoice in his alleged murder of Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence. Personally, I find their deaths absolutely abhorrent, sad and disgusting. I’m not a violent person, and I do not support gratuitous violence in any form. This includes, but is not limited to, state-sanctioned violence. I do, however, support the idea of justice and of self defense, particularly given the lack of both of these rights under the current system. It’s not hard to see that when a group of oppressors suddenly become the prey in much the same way as they have preyed upon the most vulnerable and under-privileged members of society, that the oppressed feel vindicated. The oppressed feel that justice is finally being dealt. The oppressed feel that there is some form of defense happening. The irony is, of course, that it had to happen from within, by an exceptional cop gone rogue, by a brilliant and deadly human being trained by the oppressors of whom he was part – until he was punished for being a whistleblower, and cast out from the elite. The LAPD created Dorner in their mould – as LAPD Chief Charlie Beck says, “[Dorner] knows what he’s doing; we trained him” – and now they are reaping the consequences of his revenge. Christopher Jordan Dorner is the LAPD’s karma.

There will, of course, be innocent victims in the fall out, “collateral damage”, as there always is with all American “justice”, be that children killed by drone attacks in Pakistan, or passersby shot dead by violent domestic policing. This is how America works, after all. Shoot first, ask questions later. Drop a bomb on a school because Al Qaeda might be in there. Casualties are necessary in this endless war, we are told by the government. As someone trained by an Imperialist military, Dorner understands all too well the concept of collateral damage. Sometimes we need innocent people to die so that other innocent people can stay safe – or so we are told by our Commander in Chief. Casualties such as Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence, and victims like the two Hispanic women shot by the LAPD yesterday as they delivered newspapers merely because their royal blue Toyota Tacomoa was allegedly similar to Dorner’s dark-colored Nissan, the other three people who have been shot at in the manhunt for Dorner – these are all part of LAPD’s narrative. People have to die so that we can all stay safe and protected by the LAPD. Except when you become the LAPD’s sacrifical lamb, one gains a different perspective. Luckily, as a white, educated person of a certain economic class, the chances of you being chosen as a sacrifical lamb is remote. The LAPD prefer to target black and brown working class males. Which is why Dorner targeted Monica Quan, the daughter of his defending Officer, and her boyfriend, Keith Lawrence. The type of people practically guaranteed immunity in a society where no one is safe, not even the young, the innocent and the law abiding. In a horrifically postmodern vendetta which belongs more in a movie than real life, Dorner is attacking the system that created him, proving its senseless violence by embodying that senseless violence and turning it back upon its creators:

The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.

Dorner’s manifesto has been dismissed as “rambling” and “incoherent” by most major news outlets, who ignore the fact that it’s actually an articulate and thorough denunciation of police brutality, written by a whistle blower with a demand for stricter gun laws. As Rania Khalek observes, “He points out that his rampage wouldn’t have been possible had there been a “well regulated AWB [assault weapons ban]”. He asks why anyone would need a “30 round magazine for hunting” or an AR15 rifle, which he compares to the M-4 and M-16 military rifles used against ‘Al-Qaeda, Taliban and every combatant since the Vietnam war.”

“I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered and libeled me,” Dorner writes, who identifies throughout his manifesto as a patriot whose core beliefs have been shattered. He realizes that he has, as we might say, ‘lost the plot’. He’s happy to tell you why that is, and why he believes he has to divert his killing skills away from the people they were intended for, and against those who trained him. His manifesto or letter, titled simply, ‘Last Resort’. is addressed to America, in a final plea, perhaps, that they address the heart of darkness that lies at its core. The heart of darkness which turned Christopher Dorner from a man who believed that he could best serve his country by working as a navy reservist and LAPD officer, to a man who believed he could best serve his country by destroying the LAPD entirely using the skills he learned in the navy.

I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I’ve been given.
Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I’ll tell you. It’s not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don’t fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.

Leaked documents and newspaper articles detailing Dorner’s obvious intelligence, hard work and humanity paint an intriguing picture of the man. Dorner was known as a man who could and would report bad behavior within the department, and made several complaints to the department alleging violent or unprofessional conduct of his colleagues. An apparent article from 2002 relates a younger Dorner finding eight thousand dollars in a bag on the street, and returning it to the owner, an elderly woman. A picture shows him huge, muscular and smiling as he shakes Former Chief Bratton’s hand. He comes across as an intelligent, moralistic, patriot:

I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn’t need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It’s in my DNA

He is a man who has stared into the dark heart of corruption, and is now taking vengeance upon it, trying to turn the LAPD into the victims they have persecuted: people like Kendrec McDade, Alisia Thomas and Kelly Thomas.

It’s interesting that America does not want to understand why our serial killers and our gunmen do what they do. After every tragedy, newspaper articles ask “Why”, and yet now, when we have an alleged killer who has answered the “Why” for us, we dismiss his explanation, replacing it with our own: He is simply crazy. We want to believe killers are ‘crazy’, a catch all word where we consign everyone who enacts violence which has not been sanctioned by the government to the realm of the mentally ill, and revere those who enact violence in the name of the state as good, law abiding citizens who deserve the power to decide who lives and who dies.

Dorner, as far as we can tell, never injured a defenseless citizen as an LAPD officer, when he had the state sanctioned power to do so, and knew that if anyone complained, he would likely never face any serious repercussions. In fact, he reported a fellow officer, Teresa Evans, for her violent acts against a mentally ill man, and by doing so, he lost his job, his reputation and his career. Had Dorner beaten Rodney King instead of reporting a fellow officer for violence, he might well be a Captain in the force – like Rolando Solano, who was present at King’s beating, gazing on as his superiors beat a black man to a pulp, yet is now a Commanding Officer.

The point I’m trying to make is that there is no doubt that Christopher Dorner is not a sane man, but it’s absolutely obvious why he has had a breakdown with deadly consequences, and why he feels a moral compulsion to correct and eliminate the corruption he has been trained to correct and eliminate. I see people expressing hurt, shock, anger, fear all over the place – ‘Deadly cop killer’ ‘crazy cop’ a ‘cop’s worst nightmare’ – and yet the mainstream media seem unwilling to confront the very obvious fact that something monumental and huge happened to change this man. That this man is on a killing spree not because he enjoys senseless violence, but because he sees corruption so rampant that nothing will stop it, except perhaps him.

The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.

If people have to die so that corruption is eliminated, he accepts this. Just like LAPD accepts this. Just like your government does.

I’m no more scared of Dorner than I am of every cop with a gun in the United States of America. As Malcolm X said, it’s a case of the chickens coming home to roost.

91 Responses to the chickens come home to roost

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  2. Kermet Key says:

    The biggest problem I have with your article is that while you are arguing that Dorner has legitimate reasons for waging war against the LAPD and highlighting his well thought out “manifesto” you also say “here is no doubt that Christopher Dorner is not a sane man.” Are you not playing into the same MSM agenda that you are criticizing?

    • Ruth Fowler says:

      Well, no, I’m saying the default norm for a human being is not to kill, maim and brutalize. Dorner has been turned into a killer by the LAPD. The LAPD are also killers. We have a nation of Police Officers who are not sane: they are not, like regular ole folks, people who simply get angry, have an argument, fester, and let it go. They’re state sanctioned killers and they don’t argue – they shoot. Yet we’re expected to buy this bullshit that Dorner is somehow different, he’s the ‘crazy’ one. If we say the definition of sanity is to be a regular old stressed out human being who gets pissed, Dorner has long passed that mark. I support all he says about LAPD corruption, if the guy knocked on my door I wouldn’t turn him away, and nor would I turn him in. But do I think he’s “sane”? No. Do I think he’d hurt me? No. He has a specific agenda and mission, one he was trained to do: eliminate corruption. Except when it’s turned back on its creators, it’s called crazy. No one can be a cop or military and be “sane” – or ethical, or moral. It’s simply an oxymoron. Which is why cops have such a high suicide rate. I suppose you’re one of these idiots who thinks owning an automatic is a perfectly normal sane thing for a human being to do? Even Dorner points out it’s not. He knows he’s long since passed the time when he can have a normal life. And the LAPD did that to him.

      • BenTheGuy says:

        You don’t know he killed those people, at this point we only have the LAPD’s word on that. You ready to trust them?

        • shootfirst. says:

          It’s getting difficult to say one LEO dept. is worse than another. They are ALL staffed with costumed thugs and none can be trusted. They have become our enemies. Since they are all armed, so shall I remain armed, to protect myself against them, and non-costumed thugs.

        • Whenever a non black person is accused of murder the MSM never hesitate to inform us the accused is innocent until proven guilty. Do not Christopher Dorner deserve the same presumption of innocence? He is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!

      • Sam says:

        I enjoyed your article. Then you said I was neither sane, moral, or ethical because I’m in the military. Now I know that you’re just a closed minded idiot. Thanks for clearing that up.

        • AC says:

          I think anyone who is in the military and is a decent person will understand. My father served in the second world war and was the kindest person I have ever met. I asked him what it was like, and he said, “I don’t think you can kill another human and consider yourself completely sane afterwards.” You should consider what is right and moral and not look for insults as an excuse not to have to worry about the larger issues.

          • Ruth Fowler says:

            Let’s be clear: sanity is often not a particularly rewarding or interesting character trait. I don’t consider myself ‘sane’ – I just consider my brand of insanity very different to the kind that thinks killing folks is OK and following orders from a corrupt military government is correct. I think cops and military aren’t sane. I think writers are off the fucking wall loopy.

      • Wurdle says:

        I do not think that Dorner has “been turned into a killer by the LAPD,” but, rather, that Dorner has turned himself into a killer to specifically fight the LAPD.

        As a peaceful citizen, I’m appalled by the death of two innocents — however, I also can understand the courage it takes to fight an institution like the LAPD. Us citizens are caught in a moral crossroads, an uncomfortable place where we are forced to realize (or, perhaps, where we are forced to close our eyes) that courage is no virtue, and that it can be shared by heroes and villains alike.

        Or… maybe it’s still a virtue and that’s what makes me so uncomfortable; the virtuous are not necessarily the good.

        Then there are the many faucets of examining Dorner’s morality:
        Is violence acceptable when it facilitates positive changes in society?

        We will have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully, the people of LA won’t let this opportunity go to waste simply because of Dorner’s tactics — although reprehensible, the dialogue is now open on what to do with this country’s festering security state.

      • grevyturty says:

        “I’m saying the default norm for a human being is not to kill, maim and brutalize” A passing knowledge of human history proves otherwise.

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  5. TurboKitty says:

    I still believe in innocent until proven guilty, Even though the MSM had stated that Dorner is a killer, I don’t believe them. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn the LAPD actually murdered those two women, in order to place the blame on Dorner and turn public support against him. I believe he is running for his life and trying to attract as much attention to the corruption Los Angeles, under the guise of the Law and a badge, as he possibly can. If he turns up dead, I will no longer be surprised, I will know it to be true. I was born and raised in Los Angeles, I know what goes on there too. Excellent article!

    • grevyturty says:

      Such stupidity. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal concept, it doesn’t apply to the public or people having an opinion when seeing facts. What a movie educated moron. Hope you’re not in any position of responsibility. Disgraceful idiot.

  6. Good Post! Keep it up!

  7. John c says:

    It looks like the lapd dont want him alive, they have shot up 2 vehicles already without identifying the occupants ,just because they thought it was his truck.There is definitely more than meets the eye here, The lapd are not following due process by shooting first.

  8. lazarus says:

    thank you for writing this. perfectly poignant! if you want the killing to stop, good and decent people should take Beck and Quan in cuffs, place them upon their knees in the middle of city hall park, and complete Dorner’s mission for him. The entire city of LA, if not the state of California and by extension the rest of our nation, would be greatly served by the precedent. Frankly, they should be sure the mayor, and all professionally involved in the court system (i’m looking at you judges of LA County who take bribes and ruin lives) get a bag full of their blood to ponder over as well. Personally i could never carry this out, which is why i am totally behind Dorner.

    It is funny to think that those governing would like to hold the citizenry to higher moral standards than they themselves employ. i hope all those involved in such corruption receive slow and agonizing ends to their lives. a curse upon all of them and their families.

    • lazarus says:

      also if you find the dragging in of the “family” as morally deplorable, then you do not really understand how the root of evil and good is perpetuated.

  9. The only thing I find questionable in this article is the gun control issues. The police state does not stop at the police department, That is a function of our elected and appointed officials. The gun control comments of his, to me, show that he is not thinking this all the way through,and the author also does not seem to pick up on it. Gun control should not start and end with civilians. Those same guns in the hands of the police officers that Dorner professes to have it in for, those same guns are part of what allows them to commit the crimes that they do. If the weapons he and the author seem to agree should not be allowed, then that “not allowed” should also apply to the government at all levels. This article points its finger squarely at the commission of violence and oppression by government officials armed with the guns that civilians should not be allowed to have. Those weapons are the one thing that allow people to fight back and protect themselves from this violence and oppression.

    Taking guns away from citizens under the guise of safety is a farce as it leaves the police and the government with those same guns and allows them to oppress with even more impunity than they already do. If Chris Dorner did not have those guns they would not fear him the way they do.

    • lazarus says:

      2 points against your argument:

      1) The original “unedited” manifesto does not contain those gun control passages. It is unclear yet who created the “edited” version this has received a much wider audience.

      2) The passages point fingers at Class III licenses. Only law enforcement personnel can obtain Class III licenses. The passage is targeting the ability of this class of personnel being allowed to purchase FULLY-automatic (different from automatic…) weaponry and accessories such as silencers. True tools of murder.

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  11. I’m not sure if I can post links here but you must see this. LAPD Police Brutality on a kid.

  12. jergen says:

    Why does your “about” page introduce you as a “sociopathic narcissist”? Is somebody playing a prank or do you embrace the label?

  13. Tpressure says:

    His argument about gun control is completely false. As a member of LE and the US military he would have been able to get every weapon he claims to have even with every proposed gun control law that is proposed being enacted.

    • loopy says:

      The gun control passages are specifically about law enforcement personnel ability to buy military grade weaponry with class 3 licenses

  14. Quit using the word “privileged” all the time, Christ. Seriously, go one article without it.

  15. Jillionaire says:

    You said “The point I’m trying to make is that there is no doubt that Christopher Dorner is not a sane man”. Why even say this after your rant? What is INSANE is a police force that allows officers to kick restrained people in the face like it’s nothing, and when somebody blows the whistle they get fired. THAT’S insanity. Got it?

    • Isaiah Gilliland says:

      That’s what she’s saying. Neither him nor the LAPD are sane. She already answers this below to Kermet Key’s comment.

  16. Attorney General Eric Holder: Investigate the LAPD Firing of Christopher Dorner

    Please sign the petition at the link provided. We have to join together and call for an Investigation of the LAPD and their police bruality because the MSM won’t.

  17. WhenFractalsCollide says:

    Thank you for articulating what many of us feel/think about this situation. But just an FYI…as a person of color, it was insulting when you said “like me or you, white, privileged and well educated,” implying that your readership could not possibly fall outside that demographic. Also, calling Dorner “not sane” seems a bit contradictory. However, the rest of what you said is 100% on point and I’m glad I read it through!

    • Adam Thomas says:

      Yeah but you’re not her target audience. The whole point is to be a wake up call for the insulated white folks who don’t pay attention. To counter a lot of what they’ve been hearing.

  18. There is a bounty on Christopher Dorner’s head!

    Reward and Renewed Search for Ex-LAPD Cop Wanted in Revenge

    The FBI, U.S. Marshals Service and numerous local police agencies said they planned to announce details about the reward at a news conference Sunday afternoon.

  19. ErikZ says:

    “They also say that the largest killer of cops is a self-inflicted gunshot wound, presumably from those unable to handle the knowledge that ‘protecting’ and ‘serving’ has a different definition within the PD. ”

    Maybe you should, I dunno, try interviewing cops? Instead of guessing?

  20. “Like you or me,white privileged educated.” I must be that outlier a black man that can read and comprehend a blog written by the eloquent white woman.

    • Ruth Fowler says:

      I think it’s pretty plain to see that I’m attempting to challenge white, privileged assumptions about the LAPD and the Police in general. I’m sorry you read it the way that you did, wasn’t my intention.

      • jk2001 says:

        Is it an English thing? Because I don’t see that many writers using the universal “white, middle class” we in political writing anymore. Even on the right, they use coded language.

        I still see it in the restaurant reviews and real estate sections, where the assumptions reverberate like echoes of the 1950s. You read it and automatically think, “oh, it’s one of *those* fuckers.” And I don’t mean white, because, sometimes, those fuckers are people of color.

        • Ruth Fowler says:

          I think it would be more presumptive of me to address my article to a section of society who know all too well who the LAPD target, because they target them, and they have been saying what I wrote for years and years, and no one wants to listen to them. I’m not here to educate people of color – I don’t need to. They know what’s going on.

          No, it’s not a English thing. It’s just a device I employed to address a particularly complacent ruling class who can no longer ignore the corruption of the police force in this country – a police force which works for them, at a horrendous cost to the marginalized.

          • jk2001 says:

            Not every person who supports the white supremacist system is white or middle class. Well, maybe one or the other… or employed by the LAPD. Dorner’s “manifesto” with the complete names made it look like the insiders in the force are a virtual rainbow coalition of good ol boys and girls.

            Thanks for writing the article.

            The story of Christopher Dorner needs to be made into folklore.

  21. Dorner manhunt: $1-million reward expected to be offered

    Elected officials and law enforcement authorities on Sunday are expected to offer a $1-million reward for information leading to the arrest and capture of fugitive ex-cop Christopher Jordan Dorner.

    A massive manhunt for Dorner began last week after the 33-year-old former Los Angeles police officer and Navy veteran allegedly began a deadly campaign that has left three people dead and two others injured. Dorner is believed to be upset over his firing from the department in 2009.

    The city of Los Angeles, law enforcement organizations, private groups and anonymous donors have all contributed to the reward fund, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation. Authorities have already raised $500,000 with a goal of $1 million or more.

  22. Danto says:

    Amazing how a “writer” can lose all credibility in the very first paragraph of a rather long article. Rodney King was resisting ACTIVELY RESISTING ARREST for driving under the influence in which he could have killed people. There were 2 passengers in the car who were taken into custody with absolutely no problems.

    • Adam Thomas says:

      Are you retarded, too young to have been exposed to the facts, or just pushing an agenda? Because no one ever disputes that Rodney King was high as a kite and needed to be arrested at the time. It was the fact that they then beat him with sticks for no freaking reason for five minutes AFTER he’d been subdued. It was an inordinate response to the crime committed. Why?

      Because police are just like gangs – they have no courage individually, and only strike out when at supreme advantage. This whole Chris Dorner case is exact proof of their brutish, cowardly behavior.

      • AC says:

        Exactly. There are a lot of people who are more scared of the idea that our system has become a danger to all of us than they are of death. The idea that life isn’t safe and that you may have to act to set things right is a much bigger change than anything that might happen to you, and it’s much easier to vilify the victims than to admit that the people you pay to protect you are more powerful than you, and evil.

  23. Mark Skalla says:

    Excellent article, and great job writing.

  24. Jack says:

    it takes the sacrifices of a few for the good of many.

  25. CorrectionOfficer says:

    LA is (now) nothing more than a third world country in itself. The corruption and selfishness of the government is just a product of its environment. By no means is he just in his crimes, but the fellow American is always paying the bigger price for being a “good citizen”.

    • Leslie says:

      No, the environment is the product, and I think it’s holding up remarkably well considering the corruption and selfishness of the anti-human government-corporate complex, and the brutality of its cops.

  26. Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity
    Torrance police say the man was driving a pickup resembling the fugitive’s. The incident happened just after the LAPD fired on women delivering newspapers nearby.,0,3955268.story

    David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.

    Seconds later, Perdue’s attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.

  27. Michael says:

    I agree that the LAPD still has corruption issues they need to fix but a vast majority of officers are well meaning, honest and want to do the right thing. Generalizing the LAPD by their worst elements is similar to what these corrupt cops do to the black populations that they serve, generalizing the worst elements onto the whole population. I think it’s this kind of thinking that we need to avoid so we get at the real issues that are at the root of this injustice, the creation of an evil that needs to be extinguished. All violence can be justified, and it’s this justification that allows it to perpetuate itself.

    • Franco says:

      That officers that “are well meaning, honest and want to do the right thing” NEED TO SPEAK UP, otherwise by their silence they became accomplices

      • jk2001 says:

        The system’s behavior is clear – even small objections by officers in a probationary period, like what Dorner made, will be punished by termination.

    • jk2001 says:

      The problem isn’t the officers, but the system. The system allows even a minority of corrupt cops to cow the good ones into going along. Dorner did the right thing, and was punished pretty harshly. He wasn’t going along with the flow, and so they got rid of him. Any other good cops weren’t in a position to get Dorner his job back.

      The behavior of the group is not a simple aggregate of the behaviors of the numerical majority. It’s not a democracy, or a competition of do-gooders. It’s a system, and the system as it stands is based around cops covering for each other, even when they do something against the rules, or even against the law. Yes, they will punish bad cops… but which bad cops? The system seems to work by punishing those who, as a group, they want to punish, and not punishing those who, as a group, they don’t want to punish. In other words, there is no objective standard of justice within the system.

  28. Frostiken says:

    By the way, author of this article – the stuff about gun control was made up. The manifesto was heavily edited by various groups with agendas. The original document says nothing about gun control at all.

  29. Brian says:

    “That this man is on a killing spree not because he enjoys senseless violence,” And you know this… how, oh privileged and well educated white woman? Please, explain to those less enlightened how much you understand and sympathize with someone you have zero cultural, racial or socioeconomic bonds with. Or, do you just enjoy the warm embrace of smug self satisfaction that much? Thought so..

    • Ruth Fowler says:

      Ah, you know, I like to look at the facts. Maybe read the article? As it stated, he never employed violence, senseless or otherwise, on th epoeple he supposed to be protecting and seving while on the job at LAPD, even with the departments culture of violence and militaristic practices. The logical assumption is that he didn’t do it because he does not enjoy it — it certainly wasn’t because he would’ve gotten into trouble if he did. Not in the LAPD.

    • Guest says:

      Because if he enjoyed senseless violence he’d be Police Chief Chris Dorner, not No. 1 most wanted man in America. You don’t need to be black, brown, white, poor, rich, ill or healthy to know that. Why are you so obsessed with my race or class anyway? Aint my fault what I got born into. Doesn’t mean I don’t get an opinion.

  30. Grace says:

    I’ve lived in Los Angeles all my life, I’ve grown up here, witnessed and been told people’s stories of abuse and wrong doing of LAPD officers. They are not all corrupt but us locals know why they have such bad reputation.

  31. Timothy Hankins says:

    While you make many good points a I agree with most of them, why was all the hate for white Americans necessary? Obviously there is no reason to put any race or nationality above another, so why bash just one portion of a culture. You should, as a journalist, be less prejudice in your writing.

  32. Haven’t they killed that ### yet?

  33. Leslie says:

    Ruth, let me add to this a bit. Christopher Donner is well on his way to becoming a folk hero. Just as D.B. Cooper, in his audacious rendition of “Steal This Book,” tapped into the public imagination of his era, so Donner has tapped into what so many of us suspect of cops: they’re holding on to their humanity by a thread. The extremity of his break is confirmation of what we’re experiencing in the streets, that cops’ programming eviscerates their fundamental compassion.

    Christopher Donner parachuted out of LAPD, but only by pursuing a path of utter lawlessness, The superlawman becomes the superoutlaw. For those of us who’ve seen LAPD close up and ugly, it rings true–an L.A. cop must become so removed from their humanity that to take Donner’s leap splinters their psyche. “He must be mad,” in all its senses of insane, angry, and beside himself, at odds with himself, no longer an integrated soul.

    And he is a flash of hope, that other cops will reclaim themselves, perhaps not in such a violent and flamboyant gesture, but that they will regain their souls and dismantle the monster that created them, before we come to the point that we must do it for them.

  34. chov says:

    “As someone trained by an Imperialist military, Dorner understands all too well the concept of collateral damage. Sometimes we need innocent people to die so that other innocent people can stay safe – or so we are told by our Commander in Chief.”

    These sentences alone mean everything. Collateral damage is the only way any sort of change is possible; it’s horribly sad, but true.

  35. hurrdurr says:

    at least 5 officers were fired as a result of hearings connected to the RAMPART scandal. get your shit together

    • Ruth Fowler says:

      And criminal charges, jail sentences? Out of 70 implicated, you had five fired, some resigned (with pensions), a bunch were suspended, a couple went to jail. Multiple, multiple murders, shakedowns and extortion, planting of evidence, stealing of cocaine as evidence — total jail time? We can count the years on our fingers and toes.

      The point stands. Yeah there are a few sacrificial lambs who lose a pension when the community presses or go away for a few years (but hide all that money, a la Rampart), but it’s all spectacle. No systemic change occurs whatsoever.

  36. Zach Elston says:

    It’s surprising that Dorner supports a renewed AWB. I don’t see why he would ever point out a way for the government to have ever “stopped” his rampage. We don’t own 30 round magazines for hunting. We don’t own AR-15′s (which are semi-automatic and fundamentally different than military rifles) to hunt deer (though some do). We own them to hunt police, federal agents, military, and anyone else who’s stupid enough to try and oppress us. The second amendment is not about arming a militia, it’s not about hunting, it’s not about target shooting, and it’s certainly not limited to muskets (as if our founding fathers had no idea that technology would move on, please). It’s about the right of the PEOPLE to protect themselves FROM that organized militia. The Second Amendment reads: “A well organized militia being necessary to a free state, the Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The first half of that compound sentence is parenthetical – it is taken for granted that a well organized militia is necessary to a free state. We get that, as did the people who wrote it. The second half of that compound sentence is where we reach the actual FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT that the amendment is granting – the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. This is because the people who wrote the second amendment had just fought a WAR against the very organized militia of the British which had become corrupt and oppressive and needed drastic violent overthrow. We seem to hold the First Amendment in such high regard; that every human has the born right to speak freely without fear of persecution, and we continue to enforce this with severity. Why do we shun and fear the Second? There is a reason it came directly after free speech in the Bill of Rights: the ability to defend oneself is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, be it against criminals, police, or the government itself. Our founding fathers knew that the government was not infallible, they knew that corruption runs rampant in all places of higher power. This case just proves the need for the proper arming of citizens. I would certainly be afraid to shoot a police officer, but if my life was (for no real reason) threatened because of the morally bankrupt and corrupt LAPD, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger, and neither should any American who believes as the Constitution does.

  37. Greg says:

    I am Christopher Dorner.

  38. Z says:

    Hi Ruth, nice article. Found a couple problems though.

    One is just a small typo. It’s spelt “Toyota Tacoma”.

    The second is a factual matter. Your statements (“The LAPD prefer to target black and brown working class males. Which is why Dorner targeted Monica Quan, the daughter of his defending Officer, and her boyfriend, Keith Lawrence. The type of people practically guaranteed immunity in a society where no one is safe, not even the young, the innocent and the law abiding”) seem to assume that Monica Quan’s fiancee was a white man, but in fact, Keith Lawrence was African-American.

    Finally, it’s still a little unclear whether or not Dorner did advocate for gun control in his original manifesto. Some are reporting that this was added post hoc by some unknown party after the manifesto started to make its rounds on the net.

    “Questions were raised about a later version of the manifesto that was circulating on the Internet that claimed to have sections related to celebrities, President Obama and gun control. In this section, a writer purporting to be Mr. Dorner offers support for gun control, praises the call for a ban on assault weapons and expresses dismay with the lack of respect some people have shown President Obama.”

    • Ruth Fowler says:

      Hey Z, the controversy over the gun control passage may be valid or may be not. Too early to tell, I think. As far as Keith Lawrence goes, he fits that last descriptor of law abiding pretty well by all accounts, and let’s not forget he was a Campus Security Officer with plans to join the PD, which would take him off most cops radar.

      • Z says:


        Thank you for responding.

        Yes, I suppose Lawrence might fit the description of “law-abiding”– not that people working in hired security or law enforcement are always law abiding people (see: LAPD). I guess I was just a little confused by the previous sentences (“The LAPD prefer to target black and brown working class males. Which is why Dorner targeted Monica Quan, the daughter of his defending Officer, and her boyfriend, Keith Lawrence. “) given that Lawrence was both African-American and working class (a security guard).

        To address my other point– If you, like me, have doubts about the veracity of the gun control passage, perhaps this ought to come through better in your article. As it is, you seem to be passing it off as fact to your readers that Dorner advocated these things, even though you yourself admit that it is in dispute. I read the entire manifesto and that part neither fit with the rest of the narrative nor fit with his voice. From there, the whole thing devolves into a bunch of celebrity call-outs which are utterly absurd (another red flag that the original was doctored). And does it even make sense for Dorner to advocate gun control? For the first half of his manifesto, he outlines in great detail why he feels he has been the victim of injustice, why he sees vigilantism as his only option, and how he plans on exacting vengeance. Why would he then go on to decry the very freedoms which have permitted his quest for vengeance in the first place? Does this even make one iota of sense?

  39. Brian says:

    “The Phantom Man” – aka Chris Dorner, my rants…

    Been following Chris Dorner news online since the first Policeman was shot, at that point local LA Newsteams were doing Breaking News Live Streams right from their websites. I think that only happens for large Breaking News events, it was weird getting a real time first hand view before the events were rebroadcast. It kept me kinda absorbed in the real time, minute-to-minute drama during the first few hours as the news unfolded. They were Live Online covering the shooting of the two lady newspaper delivery persons shortly after it happened, with a live reporter right in front of the blocked off street. They shortly announced two vehicles had been shot and also showed the bullet ridden trucks before anyone knew what had happened. I pieced together the facts that the police where expecting Dorner to attack certain people, and within moments concluded that the police probably shot these trucks due to their own desire to eliminate the bad guys and also due to their real fear for the situation at hand (cop killer on the loose). He (Dorner) had just killed one cop and shot two others, so they all were expecting the worst at that moment. It seemed to happen pretty fast, not that the police had much time to react, I am sure they are trained to shoot to kill with anyone that is deemed a terrorist or the like. Anywho, the story continues, and I thought by now Chris Dorner would have been killed. Can’t understand how he can live without money, housing, food, etc. I would assume they seized his bank accounts and all credit cards, and also have close eyes on anyone in Chris’ network of friends and family. Where in the world is he? He’s got no change of clothes, no money, no food, no ID, and apparently no car. No cell phone or way to communicate, that I can think of. Plus it seems everyone in CA knows his picture. Unless he recruited some sort of partner(s) in this rampage, how in the world did he escape? Is he dead in the mountains? Did he escape via boat with other(s)? If he is alive, the only answer I can come up with is that he has a partner(s) in this. Pretty sad in the last days or weeks: Chris Kyle dead, Mark Hasse dead, Jimmy Dykes wackjob, now Chris Dorner manhunt.

  40. NotoriousRoscoe says:

    How we know what we know: TV. Everything we see on that box is cooked up. Thanks for presenting another side of the story.

  41. LAPD has always been dirty. I could tell you something I experienced first hand as a child as well as stories my grandfather told me about paying them off in the 60′s when he was bookie.

  42. Kenneth Collins says:

    Because he’s taken things to this level does not make him crazy or insane. Leaders started the Crusades, the witch hunts the Inquisition and no one calls them crazy or insane. He knows what he’s doing and he can justify his actions clearly and rationally. Because you don’t agree with his logic or reasoning does not mean he’s crazy or insane.

    I understand his reasoning and logic just fine. If a system that is put in place to enforce the law becomes so corrupt as to be so tyrannical in nature that there’s no stopping it then eventually a person, or group of people, will stand up and take matters into their own hands to stop it. These actions may be illegal or treasonous in nature but it comes to a point where someone has to do something and they’ve decided to be the ones to do it. As to whether they’re right or wrong for doing it or the steps they’ve taken to see it come to an end will be a matter for their Creator to decide when they face judgement.

    All too often we blame the weapons, or the mental stability of the people who perpetuate these atrocities Yet in the end it’s simply a matter of people having had enough and taking what steps they feel necessary to stop it.

    I’ve seen the crap going on in Los Angeles and other areas. I’ve seen what our government is doing and I honestly have to say Kudos to him for finally taking steps to try to bring it to light and put an end to it.

  43. grevyturty says:

    Lol at idiots supporting this piece of garbage. I’m sure when he killed that woman it really taught the LAPD a lesson!

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